Brilliant Old & Retro Tech We Still Want | GCN Tech Show Ep. 39

Brilliant Old & Retro Tech We Still Want | GCN Tech Show Ep. 39


(dramatic sound) – Welcome to the GCN Tech Show. – This week we’ve got four bits of bike tech that were
better back in the day. A new hub, new shoes,
your bikes, your upgrades. – And a whole heap more. Let’s do it. All right, let’s just do it. (upbeat music) (dramatic sound) – Our big news this week in the world of tech is the release of a new bike from Orbea, the Terra H, which follows in the footsteps of it’s older sibling, the Terra Carbon which was released last year. Now, this bike is made from aluminum, comes with a carbon fork and the idea or the purpose behind
it is that it’s suitable for riding on all
different types of terrain. So gravel, road, cycle La Crosse, that kind of thing. Because the position of it is slightly more upright, a bit more relaxed than the standard road racing bike. – Something I really
like about this bike is that it’s got a whopping amount of tire clearance, 40 millimeters, which means, well, you can either have massive tires or you can run mudguards and have it as a winter bike. I know you’re a big fan of guards.
– Yeah, I love mudguards. – It’s also got internal cable routing thru Axles and my favorite feature. – Go on. – Threaded bottom bracket. – Oh yes, big fan of that too. – Yeah, I love threaded bottom brackets. And it’s, well, £1,400 is the retail. (mumbles).
– Yeah, they start at that. Don’t they? There’s a few different models available. – Yeah. But I think for a bike that looks that good and that spec, that’s very competitive, isn’t it? – Yeah. It’s amazing these days how much you can get for your money. – Yeah.
– Isn’t it? – Yeah.
– I mean, of course, not always. But in some cases you can. Anyway, more tech later on. (dramatic sound) This week’s hot topic – Hot topic. – is bike tech that was
better back in the day. – Right. Before we proceed with this, I need do make a disclaimer and that is that myself and John are
absolutely not Luddites. We love all tech and all innovation and yeah, we’re a big fan of the constant inventions and developments that happen. – Yeah. And while
there’s been some amazing and really innovative
ideas that have come out, are they all good? Are there any products out there that were better back in the olden days? – Yeah. Is there any down pulls of bike tech that was really good back in the days, perhaps been left behind and forgotten about? We think there are. So here are four examples of bits of bike tech
that we think were better back in the day. – It’s a risky one. (calming music) So something which is probably the most controversial, I reckon anyway, and we’re gonna start with it now, the bottom bracket. Specifically the threaded outboard bearing bottom bracket as my glamorous assistant here is displaying. Look at that. Now, these are still
commonly available actually and really, really popular in the customized frame
building communities. And well, they have a number of advantages over the press fit bottom
bracket, don’t they? – Yeah, but it’s important to point out that before we completely bash press fit bottom brackets, as a lot of people like to do, then there are some distinct advantages to press fits, they’re not all bad. So first thing is, is that you can have bigger diameter spindles
and bottom brackets, which means that you can have within the bearings more individual ball bearings within that bearing, which can make them more efficient. But also, it can mean that they can potentially last longer, the bearing, that is. The other advantage is that you can have wider spacing with a press fit, which can potentially make the bottom bracket area stiffer. You can make them lighter as well and cartridge bearings are very easy to replace as well. – The downside though mate, there are so many different standards for the press fit bottom bracket. – Don’t know what you’re
on about there, mate. There’s not that many
bottom bracket standards. I mean, there’s only the BB90, BB95, the BB30, BB3A, then you’ve got the PF30, the BBRIGHT, the BB386, BB386 Evo and the (mumbles).
– Yeah, all right. All right. All right. We get the point. And probably by the time we’ve finished this video, there’s gonna be a new one released onto the market. – Don’t doubt it.
– But also creaking and longevity, they tend to get, well, quite a hard time with the press fit
bottom bracket community. – Yeah, creaking is a big issue. And it is something that is massively associated with press fit bottom brackets. Because fundamentally,
it’s not always optimum and it requires very high levels of, well, tolerances. – Yeah, it’s interference fit after all, isn’t it.
– Yeah. – Of fitting a metal bearing, slotting it into a carbon shell, it can be a difficult thing to achieve. (calming music) – What about mechanical components then? Because the old adage goes, that quality components wear in rather than wear out. And back in the early 90s when I first became a real bike nerd or geek with components, well, those parts were simply
beautiful but also, they were built to last. So yeah, they were quite heavy, which also adds to their lifespan. Because you do still see a lot of old parts still
kicking around, don’t you? Now, setting up those parts as well was also really, really simple and something which I
really enjoyed doing. – Yeah. I think a good example, if you look at an old Campagnolo Record downtube
shifter and rear mech, it’s like they’re so simple. There’s just basically nothing to go wrong with those components. – No. – I would happily take those components apart and put them back together again and feel confident doing so, just because of their
mechanical simplicity. – It’s not gonna explode, is it? When you undo it, it’s not gonna be like, ah no, there’s a million bits. It’s not like a nightmare jigsaw puzzle. – Yeah. But it is important to point out, and this is really important, that the quality of the shifting on modern electronic group sets is without question better. It’s absolutely superb. But there is something great about those older components that are just so mechanically simple and reliable. And the fact that you would feel confident repairing them and they can be pretty much repaired almost anywhere if needs be, if they do go wrong. (calming music) Next up, we have tubular tires with latex inner tubes, which feel absolutely
bloody amazing to ride. Now, in recent years
we’ve sene the increase in popularity of clinchers and tubeless ready clinchers. And this has seen the
decline in tubular tires, even amongst pros. And this is for good
reason because arguably clinchers and tubeless
tires are more practical, they’re easier to fix at the roadside and they can also offer
lower rolling resistance. – Now, however, the best
quality tubular tires out there when they’ve been glued on, not taped by a professional mechanic, the rolling resistance of
that is right up there, or down there, with the best clinchers on the market. They’re also lighter. There’s something about them, when you nail it through a corner, it’s oh so special, isn’t it?
– They feel so good on the corners. – I mean, also, heat build up, that’s not so much of a problem if you’re using carbon
rims too with tubeless. – [Presenter] Yeah, although
we should point out, that’s completely
negated if you’re running disk breaks but that that’s another story.
– [Presenter] Oh yeah, that’s completely different. Right and while we’re on tires then, what about narrow tires? ‘Cause this one flies in the face of the wide tire cool gang. It seems to be a popular thing to be in at the moment. And even science has shown that a 26 millimeter tire is faster than a 25 millimeter tire. Because, despite having slightly more rolling resistance, is
aerodynamically faster. – Yeah, so the tipping
point is 35K an hour. If you’re going over 35K an hour, 23, the aerodynamics
makes it faster than a 25. – There we are. – Just out of interest, what was the diameter tires you rode on your Penny Farthing
when you were at school? I can look. – Penny Farthings. That was a dream when I was a kid. Crumb, he’s cheeky. – No. But in all seriousness, I think that despite the advantages of riding wider tires, because there are advantages to riding wider tires.
– I’m not gonna argue with that. – I think we should be looking at prevention rather than the cure here. I think we should be demanding smoother, better quality road surfaces and then riding 23s, rather than just riding 25s ’cause the roads we
ride on are a bit crap. – Yeah, I agree there actually. We should be demanding Siberian pine wood. That’s the wood that
you find on Velodromes. And then we can ride 18 millimeter tubular silk tires to work. – With no puncture protection. Lighter
– (mumbles). as well. – Kickstarter. Set up a Kickstarter. – Set up a Kickstarter. – Yeah, I mean, we’re bound to make money out of that or roads at least. (calming music) Next up, steel frames. Now, we love carbon fiber. – No denying it. – It’s an amazing
material for bike frames. There’s so many advantages to it. However, if we were faced with an impending zombie apocalypse and I had prior knowledge
and sufficient time to select my bike frame material of choice before the
undead swarms took hold of all the local bike shops, then my frame material of choice would undoubtedly be steel. Because, well, it’s more rugged and, well, it can be fixed easily. – Yeah. Not to mention modified too. And there was something
personally, for me, oh so romantic about having a steel frame that’s been built by a
legendary frame maker, an Ernesto Colnago, Ugo De Rosa, Dario Pegoretti, Brian Rourke, they all had these telltale signs of their individual craftsmanship. So Brian Rourke, for instance, had a wrap around seat stay, which went around the top tube and seat tube interface. And instantly, you knew that was Rourke that you were riding on. And you don’t, sort of, get that feel with a carbon bike. You’re still definitely a skilled worker and craftsman to actually
be able to assemble it, all those layers of carbon and such like. But there’s just something quite romantic about having the steel frame, knowing those hands have built thousands and thousands of old steel
frames over the years. – Yeah, plus if you have a steel frame, it means we can use a
outboard threaded bottom bracket that we spoke
about earlier as well. – Good point, yeah. – But I think we should
point out that this list is
– It’s tongue in cheek. It is really tongue in cheek. – We are for technological innovation but I think fundamentally, something that we’re both passionate about is sustainable design. And the idea of buying a product that is built to last and still be working in 25, 50 years time and I worry that we lose
a bit of that sometimes with some modern products because they’re advancing so quickly. – Yeah. And I think I’m
really, really quilty of basically stockpiling components and spare parts and things like that, because I don’t know when
what’s currently in use is suddenly gonna become new old stock or retro or whatever you wanna call it. I mean, this is probably
part of my problem, why I’ve got such a vast collection of bikes and 10 speaker sets, nine speaker sets, things
like that lying around, Brand new in boxes because I’m worried when I can’t buy that component anymore to fit on my bike when it wears out. I mean, I’ve got issues with that, but that’s a whole different story. But let us know which
bits of tech on your bike do you think were better back in the day. We always say back in the day, well, it could’ve been last week if it’s been superseded in the meantime. But let us know which bits of those tech you think were just better. (dramatic sound) It’s now time for the results of our amazing giveaway. – What was it? – Well, last week I unboxed the new FSA K-Force WE groupset. Amazing prize. – Yes. Go on. – So who’s the winner? – It’s Michael Enns in CA. – Is that Canada or California?
– Yes, Canada. Yeah, sorry, mate. Yes, Canada. – Okay. – So Michael Enns in California… – Yeah, sorry. You haven’t won. – Sorry, mate. – It’s Michael Enns in Canada. – Don’t get in contact. – Michael Enns, though,
we’ll be in contact very shortly to arrange delivery of that fantastic prize. Lucky lad. (dramatic music) Right, shoes. I absolutely love shoes. I’ve got so many pairs of casual shoes, as well as cycling shoes. And brand new, just been launched, these Fizik Tempo Powerstrap R5s. I am in love with these already. Right, get your hands off. – I want them.
– For the moment. They’ve got a really unique
look to them, really, ’cause of the crisscross
style Velcro pattern. And then just, wow, a
stand one across the top. And really, thinking about it now, this should have gone into those four bits of tech that were better back in the day. (Velcro sound) Velcro, nothing can go
wrong with that, can it? You can get your grubby
little hands on them. – Thanks man. Yes, talking about sustainable design, Velcro straps, they just last ages. But also, you probably can’t see this but this material that
the strap is made from, it’s like, well, a seatbelt material. – Like Cordura, that kind of thing. It’s not gonna stretch at all, really. That’s really good. I really like these. Do you know what they remind me of? – Go on. – My old Puma Mostros that I used to wear Circuit 2003. – Oh, don’t tell me you
got a mullet as well to go with them? – Oh, yeah. – Dear me, right. Well, something else is new this week. It’s a new hub system. So the 2.0 Phoenix is an interesting one because it’s a hub shell that’s split into two parts. You got the inner shell
and the outer shell. The inner shell is how it held in place with a lock ring. And you can remove that inner shell that the cassette is fixed onto, and then put it into another hub shell, which is laced into another wheel, tighten up the lock ring
and go off and ride. Now, what’s the benefit of that really? Well, I’ve been having
a little look around and it seems like it just
speeds up the process of not having to take apart a cassette with a cassette tool and a chain whip, and then refit it. Something which isn’t really that much of a hard task, to be
perfectly honest, is it? – Yeah.
– So I can’t really see this
sort of thing taking off. I mean, hands off to them. It is an innovation. It is different. And I’m sure that for
some people out there it’s gonna be of use. But for us, I quite enjoy taking off a cassette, really, just giving it a good clean on the inside. Clean up the spacers. – Yeah. I mean, I guess… That’s a good point. Taking off the cassette
is a great opportunity to clean it and I agree. I guess the only advantage is you don’t need a chain whip and maybe if you had the hub body part on different sets of wheels, you’d only have to have one cassette and you just slot out
that into your Aero wheels or your climbing wheels or whatever. – Yeah. Actually, you’re never gonna wear out the cassette at a
different rate, are you? – Yeah. – But anyway, yeah. It is interesting. It’s good to see things
like this going on. – This week a new AeroPod has been brought to our attention. Having been displayed at
the bike show, Interbike. It’s called the Velosense CdA01. And it’s the latest Sensor Pod that claims to be able to measure your drag coefficient in
realtime, as you ride. Now, you may recall from
earlier in the year, we reported on the new devices, (mumbles) Connect and the
AeroPod from Euro Bike. However, the makers of the Velosense claim that this device is different. Instead of using a Pitot tube, as found on the afore mentioned devices and also what airplanes tend to use. – Is that what they use on the front, that thing that pops out the front? – It can be if it comes out like that but more often than not, big sensor thing you’re thinking of on the front of the
plane isn’t a sensor, it’s usually the air-to-air
refueling nozzle. – Oh. – In actual fact, they’re looking to use a sensor, well,
it is using a sensor that’s derived more from Formula 1. And the reason why they’ve done this is that the makers believe this is far more suited to the lower speeds that you will typically encounter while riding a bicycle. And it also means they’re able to modify this sensor so that it can actually measure your angles of not just 10 degrees but wider, up to 50 degrees, which
they believe will be really good for their
cycling applications. – Yeah. It’s not uncommon as well, is it, to actually have that
when you’re riding along? – Well, yes, at lower speeds. The faster you go, the narrower your (mumbles) effectively becomes. But yeah, interesting stuff. And they say that the pod will hopefully be available in summer 2019. – That’s good news, isn’t it? I love things like this actually. Home users can really get involved with. Now we’re gonna finish off with a little bit of cool tech. Now, it was Canyon Sram win the Women’s Team Time Trial
World Championships last weekend. What was super cool though on their bikes were those disk wheels with matching socks, weren’t they, in those flashy colors? I mean, we talk about flashy colors and this and that but actually, it was done for a reason. It was to celebrate
Zipp’s 30th anniversary. I can’t believe that they’re 30 already. I mean, I remember the first time I saw a Zipp disk wheel and it was in red and it was by a Welsh lad using it. And I was, “Oh, that is so cool.” And the wide frames and
everything like that. Anyway, lovely touch by Zipp to do that for those riders. I’m sure it gave them just that little bit of extra motivation. – Yeah, it looked really cool. – I’m gonna try and get one. I’m gonna try and get one and the socks, it’ll be all right that, wouldn’t it? – Hopefully they’ll arrive in time for the club run on Sunday. – Yeah. Or if not,
Monday morning’s commute. – Yeah.
– Set a PB. Anyway, more tech for you next week. (drilling sound) (till sound) Now it’s time for the
part of the show called Screw Riding Upgrades, Buy Upgrades. What on earth does that mean though? Well, it means that you
have to submit to us, using the upload, it’s all down there, pictures or videos, anything like that of new bits of bling that you’ve bought for your bike or your training setup, anything like that. And you could be in chance of winning a workshop apron. – Slash cape. – Oh yeah, have you got it? – Give me the cape. – The caped crusader, he’s back. Right, anyway. But first of all, we actually have to announce a winner. The winner from last week was a thrilla from Manila. It was Manuel and that
bike which he bought for $50 and really transformed it to look a million dollars. So well done. Get in touch with us on Facebook. We will arrange the
delivery of that cape/apron, whatever you wanna call it, we will arrange delivery of it. But let’s crack on then with this week’s entrants. Who have we got, mate? – Well, actually we’ve
got two awesome ones. We have got first up,
Ally, from Shiraz in Iran. And this is their giant Escape R3, which has been converted into a road bike. Ally says that after riding it about 2 kilometers, well, 2,000 kilometers in the city as a commuter bike last year, he decided to have drop bars put on it. – Right. – You know, he bought it as this cheap second-hand drop bar, well, he bought a cheap
second-hand drop bar and found an old Tiagra groupset. – Found it, I like that. – I know, yeah. And now he’s got a lovely road bike. – Yeah. – And he’s still using it for his commute but he says it’s more fun to ride. – It looks long though, doesn’t it there? – It does, yeah.
– It does look long but… – No, it looks bloody awesome. – I love it when people do this because it’s not as straight forward or simple as it would
look from the offset. – Yeah. And he’s put some Ksiriums, Mavic Ksirium wheels on as well, which are cracking wheels. I have had a couple of pairs of them and they’re brilliant wheels. Love them. I mean, we’re getting quite a few of these sent in, aren’t we?
– Yeah. And it’s got us thinking, would you like to see a video on this? How to convert a flat bar bike to a drop bar bike? – Yeah, ’cause this wasn’t something that was on our radar. But having started this feature… – Yeah, let us know. – More and more people are sending it in, so yeah. – Anyway, Shiraz, from Iran, he is up against Taylor from Canada. Now, Taylor desperately wanted to upgrade their entry level Trek 1.2 to something like a Canyon Aeroad. But after discovering GCN a little over a year ago, which got Taylor back on their bike on a regular basis, Taylor became obsessed with the maintenance videos. Taylor bought themselves
a set of essential tools and thanks to Dan, Si and Jon from GCN… – Who are they? – Well, hang on. Taylor completely restored
their entry level bike into beauty. Taylor even did their own paint job and left the carbon fork naked because it looked so great. Ultegra R8050 Di2 Groupset, Zipp 302s and Vittoria
Calser skinwall tires. That bike looks nothing like the original, does it? – That is an incredible transformation. – I mean, for a start, he’s turned the seat post around the correct way, Taylor. You’ve treated yourself
to some Zipps as well and a new groupset and everything but that paint job, it looks amazing. – When we set up this segment of the show, I think in my head I was hoping we’d get stuff sent in like this. Because that is absolutely awesome. – All right. All right. We’re at risk now of influencing the voters, aren’t we here? So, I mean, the other bike, Ally, your bike was an absolutely stunner as well, mate. But anyway, it’s not up to us, is it? – No. It’s not up to us. – So up there, you can vote. Is it the road bike conversion or is it that Trek conversion? Let us know and next week we’re gonna reveal the results of that. And wow, someone is gonna be getting a workshop apron. – Slash cape. – Yeah or cape, doesn’t really matter. Send us your though, remember, using the uploader tool. (dramatic sound) Right, bike of the week time. The time where you get to vote for your favorite bike out of two that we put head to head. First up though, we’ve gotta reveal the results of last week’s
competition or battle. Now, it was between the
De Rosa Time Trial Bike and the BH Time Trial Bike at the Vuelta a España. And this was a very,
very close battle indeed. The winner with 52% of the votes, the green goddess, that De Rosa. (crowd cheering) – I love that.
– [Man] I love the color of it. – Yeah, I love that. – Right, what we got this week then? – Well, this week it’s personal. – Oh, yeah? – I am going head to head against fellow GCN presenter
James Lowsley-Williams. – Oh, gosh. – It’s my Trek Madone Disc versus his Trek Madone Disc. We’ve been arguing in the office. – Yeah, they have. – We need to
– It’s embarrassing. Find out who has got the best one and you guys are gonna let us know. Mine is fitted with the rather outrageous Zipp 858 NSW wheels as well. So, I mean, so obviously vote for mine. – Yeah, however, I would
just like to bring it to the viewers’ attention that it’s gonna be really awkward when presumably, I have
to announce the winner to either yourself or James. Maybe I’ll get you both in here next week actually. That’ll be a nice little battle as well, wouldn’t it? – Yeah, it could be.
– But as ever, you know what to do. Vote up there, top corner. Who are you gonna go for, Olli or James? Who are you gonna go for, mate? – I’m gonna go for James. – All right, cool. (dramatic sound) (bell sound) Bike Vault time. Right, this is the moment of the show where we rate your bikes under nice or super nice. But how to we get to be
able to rate them, Olli? Tell them. – That’s really easy. Submit your pictures of your bikes using the uploader link which is in the description below. – Yeah. And it’s simple, we will get through them eventually. We have had, literally,
thousands submitted. So apologies if we have
not got to you yet. But I’m sure we will one day. Now, first up is David from Santa Cruz in CA, which is presumably
California this time. – Yeah, not Canada. – No. It’s David’s
specialized S-Works SL6. It’s got Ultegra Di2,
head four plus wheels. A stages power meter and some Aero Bars. It’s a big old bike there, isn’t it? – Yeah. (mumbles) was
about 61 or something. – I would say, yeah, 61 or a 64. – A lot of seat post
going on there as well. – Lots of seat post but
it’s a nice looking bike, isn’t it? – It is a nice looking bike. Fowl’s not quite lined up, so maybe knock him off. But I think either both
bottles or no bottles. The one bottle thing.
– Yeah, that’s true actually, yeah. Not too sure about that. – Either go fully loaded
or not loaded at all. – Yeah. It’s a nice bike. – Nice a nice bike. – I’m not sure it’s super nice. – No. No, I think it’s a nice bike. Yeah. – Nice bike, Dave. – Right. Next then, it’s
Guardo from Ann Arbor in Michigan. It’s a Felt B2. Apparently the graphics
were hand-cut vinyl, changed to green from red. Dura A shifters and (mumbles). (mumbles) cranks. Easton EC90 wheels. They got some coilovers on them too. Selle Italia flight saddle. He’s put a Canyon integrated bar and stem on there too, which is quite unusual choice, isn’t it? – Yeah, that’s a inch and
a half steerer as well, so presumably that’s partly why he’s done it.
– Muscleish. – Unless you got a shimmy. He may, probably he’s got a shimmy there. I don’t know. Let us know. Cranks he says are in a proper position. Valves in a six o’ clock position. Matching green titanium skewers and very pro white bar tip. He’s done a real sales pitch actually.
– It’s that gold chain on there as well. – Gold chain, gimme some. Thank you. – What’s really cool
here is the B2 frame set. – I believe that is a Time Trial frame. – Yeah, as far as I’m aware, it is. – So this is a modification
of a Time Trial bike into a road bike, which is really cool. – Yes and it’s
– I really like that. – I wonder how it runs, but yes, a good looking bike. And yeah, I mean, the attention to detail, that’s been done here, hasn’t it? – Yeah. – Is it super nice? – Nearly.
– Is it super nice (mumbles)? – I think nearly but not quite. – Yeah. There’s something which, I don’t know, something about it makes me say it’s nice. Yeah. – Yeah, nice. – Okay. Right, next up then. James from the North Downs in Kent. And an area which we both know very well, I imagine. – Yeah, no I’ve
– Well, I do. – Been around there
– And you do as well. – a lot. Yeah. It’s James’ specialized
S-Works Tarmac SL3. HTC-High Road edition. Beautiful bike. Owned it since 2011. But a few upgrades have been put onto it. So he’s put Sram eTAP and just got a scent of Hunt Aero race wheels. Recently (mumbles) stem, trying it out before I make the final cut. Something which, well, you definitely have to do, isn’t it? That’s just why it’s cut once but also play around with that position before you go ahead and slice down that carbon steerer. – It says, “We got
Speedplay Pedals on there.” Which is very nice.
– Yeah, the green color to match the green on the frame. Interesting location, please do not feed these horses. You could kill them
with misplaced kindness, thank you. Of course, yeah. Animal safety is obviously key as well. – Do you know what? – What? – And I know he’s gonna hate me for this. I’m sorry.
– Oh, no. – If he cut his steerer, once he’s decided on his steerer length, it’s a super nice. – He got a really
excited, I reckon as well. – I’ve got to get in to that (mumbles). I’ve got to get into that bike (mumbles). So I’m gonna send in these images and well, go from there. But yeah, it’s a nice bike. Right, this next one. (mumbles), from Mexico City. A 1983 Benotto. Apparently bought this old frame that was forgotten in a warehouse for over 30 years. That’s an absolutely beauty. I don’t care what you say. I don’t know what he’s gonna say. He’s got a tub folded up
underneath the saddle. – Retro, I like that. – Yeah. The back tire… – Pre-stretched, pre-stretched
at the shop as well. – Yeah, easy to get on. No problem there. Now, the back tire, it has let you down a bit though, to be honest with you. – Yeah. – It’s green. He’s gone green. – But in terms of what we were on about with sustainable design components that you can fix if there’s
a zombie apocalypse. – My mate, Joe had one of these Benottos. – That’s a bike that you
flee from zombies on. – Exactly, yeah. They
won’t be chasing you. They wouldn’t even be able to. You’d leave them for dust. That, I don’t know about you, but mate, I think it’s super nice, just because it stood the test of time. – Yeah, let’s go for it, mate. (bell sound) Mexico City, super nice coming your way. All right, final bad boy this week. Jesse, (mumbles) Island, Okinawa in Japan, BMC Road Machine. Hang on, what chain’s he got on there? What chain has he got on there? – That’s a gold one.
(till sound) – Gold one. They know how to get in here, don’t they? I see something underneath
the saddle there. It looks like a mount for a saddle bag, doesn’t it? So he’s taken that off for the photo. – It does, yeah. – Again, a bit of a nog in the steer are popping out above there. What a location, though. That looks absolutely beautiful. Do you know what I like, if that bridge wasn’t in the background. – I like that bridge. – I like that bridge too actually. No, I don’t know. I do like that bridge. Big fan of bridges. – I wanna ride along that bridge. It’s quite cool. I don’t know. – I don’t know. I’m torn on this one. – I think it’s a nice. – I think it’s a nice, yeah. Because if it was super nice, we’d know instantly. – You’re right. You’re right. It’s a nice.
– It’s a nice bike. So that is a lovely looking bike. Now, you know what we say, if you wanna get into Bikeville, just submit your photos using the uploader (mumbles) down
there in the description and we will do our very
best to include it. We wanna see them from all four corners of the globe, as well as a nice lengthy description too. Because we wanna know everything that’s on that bicycle so we can really try and sell it to one another when we go through the pictures. Maybe you’ll get a nice
or maybe you’ll get a ring of the good old bell. (dramatic sound) All right, there we are. Nearly time for the end of the show, which is always bad
point really, isn’t it? But don’t worry, we’ve got heaps more
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83 thoughts on “Brilliant Old & Retro Tech We Still Want | GCN Tech Show Ep. 39

  1. I really like the functionality of safety brake levers (suicide levers) – if you built them with todays materials, I'm sure you'd have better feel out of your top levers than any of the pull through setups I have tried

  2. Two items, Old quick release levers (vs new aluminum ones, some what mute point with thru axles) and zefal hp frame pumps. I still have my 40 year old zefal. It fits between my seat post cluster and the rest QR lever tip….. old school style that works pretty much only on steel frames.

  3. My first road bike was a 1989 Dave Scott Master Centurion. When I traded it in, in 2015, all the original Shimano 600 components were there and still fully functioning, even the wheels. I used the credit from the trade in to buy a 2006 Fuji Roubaix. The Centurion sold the next day at the store and I couldn't help but suspect I may have made a poor decision. I then had two years of trouble with the Fuji and replacing components that wore out. The Fuji rides beautifully now, and is lighter and just a little more aggressive to ride, but I still wish I had that old reliable steel frame bike of mine.

  4. the only real advantage of modern shifters, is that you don't have to take one hand off the handle. i have kind of learned where my gears are, and i'm pretty sure i can change to any gear as precise as any modern shifter can do. just takes a bit of practice… but as you said: there is absolutely nothing that could break or can't be fixed by myself.

  5. My best bike is a Reynolds 501 steel tubed Carlton Kermesse, fitted with the best of Campag parts – Super Record with the lovely "C" Record down-tube friction shifters – from more or less the era of the bike, made in 1984. It has two front gear wheels, and five speeds at the back. Quite enough for my performance as a 57 year old! Ratios are are 52/42, and 13, 15, 17, 20 and 24 at the back. No granny gear then!

    As a move towards a less low position, I have a Nitto North Road bar, and that carries the drop bar brake levers very comfortably for braking at the fastest grip position …

    My second bike is a Raleigh road bike from 1989, fitted with a complete original "105' groupset, except for Capag hubs on the wheels which are newer … Strangely the gears are the same range, but with one extra-ratio in between at the back, which has a good indexing. It has the original Shimano "Biopace" front gear wheels!

    This one is surprisingly a more relaxing ride, but it is fitted with a Thorn comfort bar and newer brake levers. Strangely this has the more expensive Reynolds 531 tubing , but is a tad heavier than the Carlton overall. Both have Brooks "B17" saddles …

    Even with good lights the Carlton is a tidy 10 kilograms!

    Thanks for your video!

    Best wishes.

  6. I've been riding since college days in 1987, an early 80s Specialized Allez with Suntour Superbe Pro, works beautifully today. It's simply a fun bike to ride. Use it for my commuter bike. Or for riding to art museums and coffee shops in LA. My road bike is a 2006 Lemond Zurich, a mix of carbon and steel, with 10 speed SRAM Force and a mix of bits from Chris King, Thompson and 3T.

  7. Ollie was the only thing I hated about the cycling weekly channel. Now he's ruined gcn. I hope you're happy you pathetic cunt.

  8. There is one old tech that is still better even back in the day like in the 1990s. It is the square tapered bottom bracket. It is a lot better than the hollow tech bottom bracket because it has one standard but with different sizes for different bikes and it is sealed from the outdoor elements. I still ride a 1996 Raleigh M-30 FS with plenty of upgrades including the bottom bracket that I haven’t changed for years. I do strongly think that this bottom bracket has gone through more than a thousand miles and it is still running strong with no issues. I weigh more than 200 pounds and the bike weighs around 30 pounds. With all of that stress in weight plus the city roads speaks volumes how great this square tapered bottom bracket really is. I have taken out my Shimano Deore LX crank out and I found no issues with the bottom bracket. It is straight as an arrow and no friction with its sealed bottom bracket technology. Since you guys mentioned creaking from the bottom bracket, I have none what so ever from the bottom bracket. The grease is sealed inside with no maintenance. Cheers, Flood!

  9. 1984 trek 770 21lb campy racing bike. Still riding it and passing $ 10,000 bikes on the road. The engine on the bike is the only thing that is wearing out.

  10. Still using vintage (1983) Super Record on my Davidson steel bike. Looked so out of place 10 years ago and was pretty much ignored by folks on higher-end modern bikes. Fast forward to today and I'm getting more compliments on it than when it was new. Lots of sentimental folks who remember this tech from back in the day seem to miss the beauty of hand made simplicity. I'm glad I hung on to it.

  11. Retro bikes are much prettier than all these bland looking bikes made today. Lets see how a carbon bike looks like in 30 years.

  12. Agreed on all counts! Love my steel frame Colnago Sarroni! Threaded bb, Campi Mirage components with 105 drive train and Rolf vector wheelset. Absolutely silent freewheelin'! Will ride it till I die…

  13. I will say I've got a univega supra sport. I'm not sure of the year but it is really old and all the original parts are still there and it rides and shifts like a dream. I do love a new bike I'm building a newer bike from the frame currently and it's coming together really nicely and is super good

  14. About weight : Sure new carbon frame are much stiffer and lighter, but when you look at old groupsets, the weight penalty is not always true. Simple shifters and brake levers, fewer gears, etc. For example a 1970s Huret Jubilee rear mech was 145g. Of course, looking at the performance of braking and shifting, its another story.

  15. Rapid rise Derailleurs. They started at the top of the cassette and would go down when the cable was pulled. They could shift better under load

  16. Yes! Flat to drops conversion please. Also despite you hating on fat tyres this episode (you're wrong on this one) perhaps a 700C to 650B conversion too?

  17. Disagree with you that modern groupsets shift better. Ive got a steel bike with 8sp Campy Syncro d/t shifters and it is absolutely flawless, smooth and precise

  18. At the risk of sounding aggressive – whoever invented and/or popularised the use of press fit bottom brackets needs to be given a permanent release from their workplace to ensure they don't pollute logic any more, ever….

  19. I have thought about converting my flat bar bike to drop bars, and would love to see your take on it

  20. Good steel bearings. Ever since the majority or bearing production moved from Germany and Switzerland to China, the new bearings are [email protected] I have 70's Campy BB's and hubs that outspin new bearings and now and still will in 20 more years.

  21. It is out of time but, after Ollie anounced his personal bike contest against Lastie Hank's image is showed🤣

  22. I believe the development of the rear derailleur is the most important thing. The history of it is lost. It's gone. The names of the engineers, working in those dark little shops. Gone. The molds and unique tools at the factory? Gone. Most of the glory for wins goes to the rider. The little goes to the original bike manufacturer. Nobody gave a hoot about the rear derailleur. As near as I can tell, the modern derailleur was benchmarked by Suntour. The original Suntour. No engineers names or museum pieces exist. When Suntour was bought by Shimano I suspect the factory was cleaned out without ceremony and tossed in a dumpster. No records of who these people were exist. It's gone. The development of the rear derailleur has nearly singular efforts dating back almost 100 years. It's the same. No names of who did it. Few pictures even exist. Working examples? none. You can trace bicycle manufacturers reasonably well. Bicycle models can be identified down to the second or third knock-off. Nothing for the early derailleur. We can trace tires better. Can you do something about this hole in the history of Bicycles?

  23. How can you say that PF bottom bracket increase the longevity and then straight afterwards say they don’t have a good longevity!?! 🤪

  24. I always liked how tubular tires would shoot rocks. Especially the silk ones. They would hit the side of the cars with incredible force. I doubt that the drivers had any idea what was happening, but I always knew.

  25. I enjoyed the section on old versus new tech, my experience goes back to the early seventies when I first took an interest in cycling as a pastime, back then most entry level bikes were equipped with Huret derailleurs . I swapped the Huret for a Shimano derailleur after a year or so mainly because from a distance they could be mistaken for Campag however after a few years regular use the changer got loose and floppy. In the mid seventies as a result of a minor accident and subsequent insurance settlement I could afford to have a frame custom made for me, specifying a Campag drive chain, the upshot is that all these years later the Campag hubs and changers are still in regular use with no detectable play in any of the pivots etc.
    Of course modern equipment should make life a lot easier but I feel that the more complex systems become the more user unfriendly they get. I'm a new subscriber and thoroughly enjoying your channel.

  26. I love old Campanolo, anything up to the late 80s, it looks great and lasts forever. Sometimes a high end steel bike with a full campy groupset can be had for a couple hundred dollars, ready to ride.

  27. Threaded bottom brackets are just better. Hollow tech 2 is wicked. Steel is definitely real. Also, there’s something mega satisfying about downtube shifters.

  28. You guys make good points about innovation. We're a strange species, Homo sapiens. We crave innovation but fear change. Figure that out. Anyway, I started riding seriously at age 11, in 1960, on my single speed cruiser. The dream bike for kids at that time was the Schwinn Continental for, I think, $86. Serious money. I waited and got a new Peugeot 10 speed for #75 in 1963, and thought I'd died and gone to heaven. Then I saw a real racing bike for the first time, a Peugeot PX-10, 23 lb., alloy frame, Huret group. At $135 it was out of reach. Waited again, and bought my first quality bike in the late 60's, a Schwinn Paramount. Once I got around the Schwinn name and learned that it was the equal of bikes on the European Tours, and realized it had been commissioned for the US Olympic team, my snobbery melted. It was simply beautiful — a 531 frame with beautiful, intricate lugwork, painted a blazing white with hand-painted red pinstriping which curved in, out and around the baroque lugs, Campagnolo Nuovo Record group, and an Olympic logo decal on the stem. It had the classic reinforced concrete Brooks saddle which never softened a bit over time, and Weinmann high flange hubs and wheels with Campionato del Mundo silk tubulars (expensive — $15 each). It was like riding on rails laid on feather pillows. God it was sweet.

    I've been in love with steel ever since, and although of my 8 bikes subsequent to that 6 have been steel, my two favorite bikes have been my Trek 5600 and Litespeed FS MTB that I got in the 90's They let me ride faster and farther in better comfort, but I always missed something about the steel frames — the comfort derived from the properties of the metal. Carbon's just not the same, although once I got used to the weird dampening properties and the alien sounds coming up through my ischial tuberosities to my inner ears, I gained more and more affection for it. Titanium is nearly the perfect frame material IMO, although it's springiness, which stands in contrast to steel's dampening took some getting used to.

    The steel frames of the Paramount and the Raleigh Professional Mark II that replaced it when it was stolen for the second time during finals at UC, combined with the smooth, reliable performance of the Campy groups on both bikes, made for performance that could not have objectively matched that of the Trek carbon, but always seemed superior subjectively. I agree with you wholeheartedly about the feel of old classic mechanicals. I never raced, so split tenths of seconds in gear changes never mattered to me. I cared about Campy reliability, and comfort above all else. I had to stop riding in the 00's due to multiple injuries and encroaching age, but my son inherited the bikes. He loves the Litespeed, and has wrung absolutely every ounce of joy from it. Now at 29 he's having a custom hardtail MTB made out of —— steel. His dad's boy.

  29. 80s-90s Shimano MTB mech, Deore DX/XT. Absolutely bombproof, superbly reliable gear, and cheap. I run it on my commuter and touring bike. It's indestructible and keeps working with barely any attention. keep up the lube and re-tune the cables once a year and it will run forever. Love it.

  30. Hand brazed, lugged steel frames with silver components were beautiful. This all-black carbon fiber shit just has no soul. It doesn't matter what the name on the bike is anymore; they are all made by the same machines in the same factories in Taiwan; Bianchi labels on Monday, Treck labels on Tuesday and on and on and on. One of my biggest mistakes was selling my Mondonico with Campy Chorus. I'm an idiot.

  31. Old Campy Record BB's n Head Sets had Huge Balls. And Retrofricton down tube shift levers worked on 5,6,7,8 Speeds. Holy Shiiii

  32. press fit BB . just use a Token NINJA which screws together and solves ALLLLLL the PF issues and spins like, well, on air. look em up

  33. Old vs new? Depends why you ride. New bikes are undoubtedly quicker but for riding pleasure a lot of old bikes can be very satisfying even though they might weigh a ton and lack gears compared to the latest.

  34. Hand built Steel has no comparison , my best bike was a steel Swinnerton 1989/90 , silver solder lugs , Champagnolo gears , simplex shifters the ultimate fiction shifter of all .
    who built Brains frames , I can not remember who built Swinnertons bikes back then .
    I do remember there were some good frame builders in Stoke on Trent back then . Also some excellent wheel builders to.
    The frame was distroyed in a collision with a car . But I still have the gear off it fitted to a 91 Cannondale R 1000 2.8
    Still nice to see old tech getting some love .

  35. Back in the 70s we road steel bikes and if you did not crash it to bits a camp record derailleur has no life span, sure you have to replace pullys but so what and 53/39 is not old school 52/42 is old school. Steel bike by a reputable maker in your size, lube everything up. match up a saddle, stem, bars and pedals to fit you and you have what Hinault, Merckx and Kelly won everything on for a lot less than the price of one Zip wheel and its good for what 50,000 miles or a whole lot more if you can crank it out.

  36. I miss Cinelli clipless pedals. The absolute terror of realizing you have forgotten to release the down cleat after braking. And then falling over because you're still clipped in.

  37. Yes, and here come the fishermen from shimaNO, with zero traditions in the sport, predatory in pricing, make Suntour go out of business…create absurd, flawed mechanical solutions (like being unable to brake while shifting, and then some car can hit you, passing red light – it happened to me)…Require little tech knowledge so any loser can call himself "bike mechanic"… And if you own a high end Italian bike, $hop owner$ will ba$h you, and insist you sell it and bike an Asian junk. Ages ago, such greedy men were whipped in public.

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